Jung

=Burga Jung=

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BIOGRAPHICAL/GEOGRAPHICAL NOTE
My interviewee’s name is Dr. Burga Jung. She emigrated from Yugoslavia to Canada before she moved to the U.S. Her family was thrown out of Yugoslavia in 1949. When World War Two ended they were displaced persons because they couldn’t go back home. When she immigrated to the U.S. she was about fifteen. Dr. Jung is in her words, “… a teacher of teachers.”

Canada became a country in 1867 but it still has its ties to the British crown. Most of the population is closed to the border between the U.S. and Canada. There are two major provinces that have a lot of say about Canada as a whole. Those two provinces are Ontario and Quebec. Quebec’s population is about 7879167. Ontario’s population is about 13 million. Dr. Jung lived in Ontario when she was in Canada. Canada has a lot of natural resources. Some of them are very valuable like diamond and rare earth elements.

=Creative Writing=

By: Ian Mobley
__Immigration__ Thrown out

Of Yugoslavia No home Helping farmers Using horses As tools For negotiation Of food And shelter Going to Germany Going in Internment camp Where we Sign up  And Wait for A place That would Take us Help us  Let us  In and Have a New home __Home__ My new Home Is in Ontario, Canada I Went for A summer To Quebec To have A Good time And To get Stronger In French Older now I moved To a Different country, A different Home in America Dayton, Ohio Last spring I Went back To my Old home In Yugoslavia It is Still there Two families Are living In the Old home __Peace__

Yugoslavia Is not Like it was Before It is Now called Serbia A Civil War Made Yugoslavia break Up Into different Countries Dayton trying To Help peace Return to all Countries In Yugoslavia

INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPT
Ian: What is one thing you remember the most about where you lived?

Jung: I don't remember anything because we had to leave when I was a very young child so I'm sorry that your question hits a dead end like that.

Ian: Where did you immigrate from?

Jung: Originally from northern Yugoslavia back in World War Two which you probably haven't learned about yet. Is that possible or did you have snippets.

Ian: Not really.

Jung: So and we were technically after World War Two ended displaced persons 'cause we couldn't go back home and so we kind of had to wander around for a few years until we found a place that would take us and that place was not the U.S. It was Canada.

Ian: And then you immigrated to the U.S.

Jung: Integrated to Canada first and then a number of years later came to the states once we had then Canadian citizens.

Ian: So you remember the most about Canada.

Jung: Yeah right.

Ian: What do you remember the most about Canada?

Jung: OK probably having the chance to learn more than one language from a very young age and the fact that there are two very very large provinces that pretty much have a lot of say about Canada out of the of the 10 provinces and a lot of nice people between languages and big provinces? that's probably the biggest stuff from Canada.

Ian: What are your most memorable memories from Canada.

Jung: Having the chance to go for one summer to Quebec you know where that is more or less it's right next to Ontario where we were living at that time and those are the two biggest provinces. they’re right north of us Ontario and then right next to a system that Quebec and there is a family in Quebec who had a couple of girls and somebody who knew was knew them and suggested that it would be nice for me to spend the summer there and this was one that I was probably around 12 years old and so I spent the summer there and have this terrific experience partly it was for me to get stronger in French speaking but also it was just terrific a having nice place to spend summer.

Ian: How was the trip from Canada toAmerica?

Jung:I cannot say I remember any of it. It’s not difficult trip we were right there near Detroit to begin with have you ever been to that part.

Ian: No.

Jung: OK when you go up through Ohio you take 75 all the way up and you end up getting out of Toledo and right by Detroit and across the river the Detroit River is Canada and so that's as easy as crossing the river. may have a bridge called Ambassador Bridge between Detroit and Windsor, Ontario and use follow 75 income to Dayton.

Ian: Did you have any really good friends that you kept in touch with from Canada?

Jung: Yes for a while but because you know it's not so easy to have long distance friend when you don't go back often enough to visit them. So you know at that time when we came over that was in 1959 and people generally wrote letters then there was no emailing and stuff like that at that time. So you would write letters you know after awhile letter get fewer and fewer back and forth so you lose touch that way of course you could telephone but letter writing was the usual way

Ian: And so, the way I figure it, you immigrated from Yugoslavia and spent two or three years in Canada. How long did you?

Jung: OK if you want to count the years we left Yugoslavia or my family did in 44 1944. We left in the fall of 1944 that is. I don't know someone's mention that World War Two ended and basically spring of 1945. So the fall of 1944 until 49 we were in Austria not having a home anywhere and then we had a chance to go to a bunch of other countries because that's how things worked out after World War Two. Ships arrived and you are told that they were there and if you wanted to go to the country you would kind of sign up. An event will ship arrived and went to Canada and we arrived there in 49 and from 49 to 59 we were in Canada. Four years outside in Austria and 10 years in Canada four years in Austria and ten years in Canada.

Mr. Jung: The ship was from Austria or Germany?

Jung: No from Canada.

Mr. Jung: How you go to Canada.

Jung: By ship.

Mr. Jung: Where do you take the ship from Austria.

Jung: No from Germany yea from Germany Austria’s landlocked I can see where that could be confusing. the closest port would have been in Germany somewhere. And so we had to travel to Germany in what are called internment camps where displaced persons go and they stay there and they wait until something is available to leave the country.

Mr. Jung: How old were you then?

Jung: Ah well I would have been about six years old.

Ian: So do you have you ever gone back to Yugoslavia?

Jung: Yeah one time.

Ian: How was it?

Jung: Well, um, this is of course many years later, right.

Ian: Yeah.

Jung: So we're talking about a lot of changes and it is no longer even called Yugoslavia its now separated into different countries and the part that we were in is called Serbia now. So we were there just this past spring and um it’sthe first time that I've been back. And um it has not yet recuperated from all the things that have happened since World War II to the point that it was like pre-World War II and of course that information I would get from my family, not because I remember anything I was too young to remember any of those things. The farmland, the part where we grew was largely farmland and so that is not back in the shape it was in before. The houses are, where all the towns and villages were are not well kept up but they're there by and large in some places they're not because they were all destroyed. But my family's home actually because we went back to see that, is still there and its divided into two families living in it now.

Mr. Jung: Because of the Second World War - that was not the only reason? Becauseall Europe was affected by the Second World War but then in the '80s something there was the Yugoslavian - it was the '90s - that was not the Second World War.

Jung: That was just fighting within Yugoslavia.

Mr. Jung: There was a breakup of Yugoslavia because of Bosnia they were fighting the Serbians with Bosnia so that was the main reason why that bad.

Jung: Dayton actually has a small museum that's dedicated to the work done to help peace return to those countries after their kind of civil wars so that's something that you might want to become aware of that there is a museum here in Dayton that deals with that very situation.

Mr. Jung: Because Dayton was the center for the negotiations.

Jung: Yeah right exactly so Dayton has a very important connection.

Mr. Jung: This amazing for Dayton no place so much fencer right.

Jung: Well and I don't know the history of why they chose Dayton but maybe because Dayton is a neutral area.

Mr. Jung: Quiet place yeah.

Jung: And no political agendas here in Dayton but that’s interesting things so but the point is you asked me how is it like in comparison and it was you know it was interesting for me to see cause Ilike I told you I have never been back but there not at all in the condition in which they were in before.

Mr. Jung: So you’re saying that they’re much worse.

Jung: They are considerably worse then what they were before.

Mr. Jung: You’re talking about your mother's city or are you talking about Belgrade.

Jung: Well no I’m talking about my part my town Belgrade is the capital of Serbia so there is a lot more focuses in kind of helping capitals to get back in shape.

Mr. Jung: Belgrade is a big city. Is actually better than it used to be.

Jung: Yeah in some ways yeah and were as mine was just a town.

Mr. Jung: The other reason is there is another reason why because where your parents were they were from German descent so they were thrown all out so it was neglected and some of the cities became ghost cities if I remember that city that was a ghost city.

Jung: Yeah right and I mentioned that some places were totally destroyed.

Mr. Jung: So basically because they had to know how to do the land and everything so the big cities even after so many years are still behind.

Ian: So there working to get back on their feet but they aren’t yet back on their feet.

Jung: Well that’s pretty much what it is right now. As a matter of fact Serbia is trying very hard to become part of the European union and so they have to show that they can contribute and things of that sort. Their working hard at getting back in shape whenever you get to World War Two you’ll also get to a person’s name Tito. That wasn’t his real name that was his historical name. Josip Broz was his real name in any event he became the ruler in Yugoslavia by the end of World War Two and Yugoslavia became because Tito was communist it became a communist country. So there was alotof communist influence for the rest of the time until he died which is when civil war broke out and Yugoslavia separated out into all these other smaller countries and Serbia is one of them.

Ian: What languages do you speak?

Jung: OK clearly speak English. I also speak French and a little bit of German.

ANALYSIS
Displaced people sometimes go to other countries before they come to the U.S. My interviewee before she came to the U.S. she immigrated to Canada. Dr. Jung went to an internment camp that was near a port and her family waited for a ship to come to the port that was going to a country that they would to go to. She had some relatives in Canada that were able to get her father a job. Some immigrants are sponsored by people in the country that they are going; to mostly relatives that are in that country. There might be many reasons why someone left the country that they were born in. These are called push factors. Some of the most common are education, war, persecution, and jobs. There are also many reasons why they come to the U.S. These are called pull factors. Some of the most common pull factors are protection, opportunities.